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Subject: Error -194 when linking App?

Hello,

I encountered an error -194 that pops up just if I relink an app using
Think C 7.0.4 on a PowerMac running System 7.5. Deleting the app helps,
but only until the next relink. Anybody any clues what might be wrong?

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From: [e-mail] (Stuart Beaton)
Subject: Exercise solutions for "Sym C++ Prog. for Mac"?

A C++ neophyte needs help! On the advice of others, I examined and
purchased the book "Symantec C++ Programming for Macintosh" in order to
start learning C++ and the TCL. So far it's been helpful, but in Chapter 8
are exercises, particularily the first with converting standard C code to
idiomatic C++. My problem is there are no solutions to indicate if I did
all the expected conversions. Sure, it compiles, but is it good?

        Question: has anybody else gone through these exercises, and could
share their results with me? Or are they posted someplace? If I posted the
C source, would any C++ wizards like to re-write a couple pages of code :)
I see more exercises coming up, and I'm sure I'll run into the same
questions!

        Stuart Beaton
        University of Denver
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Exercise solutions for "Sym C++ Prog. for Mac"?

Stuart,
   I wish I could help, but you are ahead of me!  I have the book ( I seem
to buy 1 C++ book/week, and keep switching my reading from one to another)
but have only read the first 87 pages.  I will try to switch bact to this
one again and catch up so we can exchange some ideas.  It would be nice to
have a fellow student buddy.
Jim Lee


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I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not know how to easy draw
vertical text. Can someone tell me how to solve this problem?

Lukas


Lukas Schuepbach
Inst. for Statistics and Econometrics
University Basel
Switzerland

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From: [e-mail] (L. Sargent)
Subject: Re: Exercise solutions for "Sym C++ Prog. for Mac"?

>Stuart,
>   I wish I could help, but you are ahead of me!  I have the book ( I seem
>to buy 1 C++ book/week, and keep switching my reading from one to another)
>but have only read the first 87 pages.  I will try to switch bact to this
>one again and catch up so we can exchange some ideas.  It would be nice to
>have a fellow student buddy.
>Jim Lee
>

I don't have the book, but post the code (if it is of reasonable length).

Lloyd

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: VERTICAL TEXT DRAWING

Lukas,
    A quick look at the QD Toolbox routines in the Think Reference isn't
encouraging.  You may need to install QD GX.  I know it is required to do
stuff like draw text along a curve, but I thought vertical drawing calls
were in QD.  Perhaps I am mistaken.
    Some of the more experienced hands should know- Lloyd??!!
Good luck,
Jim Lee

 >I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not know how to easy draw
>vertical text. Can someone tell me how to solve this problem?
>
>Lukas
>
>
>Lukas Schuepbach
>Inst. for Statistics and Econometrics
>University Basel
>Switzerland


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From: [e-mail] (Marvin Nahmias)
Subject: MPW to THINK-C Project

        Hi, I'm new to the list and c++ programming on the MAC. I am
currently working on a version of a Sample Agent of MACSNMP. The
development of this shared library is described in the MPW environment.
Does anybody know how I can port a makefile from mpw to think-c, or
codewarrior for that matter. If anyone has done this, that is, take a
makefile and make a project file in think-c, please help!!! Thanks again,
:) MARV

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From: [e-mail] (Eric Obermuhlner)
Subject: Re: MPW to THINK-C Project

>Does anybody know how I can port a makefile from mpw to think-c, or
>codewarrior for that matter. If anyone has done this, that is, take a
>makefile and make a project file in think-c, please help!!! Thanks again,

Bad news.
There is no way to convert a makefile into think-c.
You have to create a new project and add all sources and libraries
manually. Very tedious.
I remember doing this for the same project 3 times, because of a bug in TC
6.0 which corrupted my projectfile.

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From: [e-mail] (L. Sargent)
Subject: Re: VERTICAL TEXT DRAWING

Lukas, Jim:

There is no easy way of doing it that I am aware of.  There are many
possible ways of doing it, but as far as I know, none are "easy". One
method is to create an off-screen bitmap, write the text there, rotate it
(which is the more trivial aspects of this operation), and CopyBits to the
displayed window. One word describes this: YUCK!

HOWEVER, as Jim wisely put it, QD GX is really what you want to use. It is
almost trivial (but only almost).

Good luck!

Lloyd

>Lukas,
>    A quick look at the QD Toolbox routines in the Think Reference isn't
>encouraging.  You may need to install QD GX.  I know it is required to do
>stuff like draw text along a curve, but I thought vertical drawing calls
>were in QD.  Perhaps I am mistaken.
>    Some of the more experienced hands should know- Lloyd??!!
>Good luck,
>Jim Lee
>
> >I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not know how to easy draw
>>vertical text. Can someone tell me how to solve this problem?
>>
>>Lukas
>>
>>
>>Lukas Schuepbach
>>Inst. for Statistics and Econometrics
>>University Basel
>>Switzerland
>
>
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From: "Gary M. Greenberg" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: help w/ FillRect & PenPat args

Hi all; I'm new to this list and not sure of prior discussions so
please excuse me if this has been hashed over. I'm teaching myself to
code and using SC++/Think C as my 1st endeavor. Mostly, I'm sticking to
ANSI C store bought books, with the basic Mac books as I expand my
neophyte ways ;-)
I just received my FREE SC++7.0.4 upgrade (from 6.0) and I've noticed that
projects which used to accept FillRect(&windowBounds,white) now require a
prior declaration of the Pattern and then a call to the Pattern's pointer.
   btw, did I say that correctly?
In general, it seems all the global Patterns are no longer accessible.
The new universal Quickdraw header says:
/***************   IMPORTANT NOTE REGARDING PATTERN
Patterns were originally defined as: typedef unsigned char Pattern[8];
The old array defintion of Pattern would cause 68000 based CPU's
to crash in certain circumstances. The new struct definition is safe,
but may require source code changes to compile.
Read the details in Appendix J of:
"MPW E.T.O. #6 Latest Libraries/Interfaces"

Developers were warned that they should stop using the
"dangerousPattern" definition of patterns so most of them
should no longer use them. We are finally removing this
definition for good.
**********************/
then right below that it has:

#if defined(powerc) || defined (__powerc)
#pragma options align=mac68k
#endif
struct Pattern {
        unsigned char                           pat[8];
};

so the Pattern seems to still be defined as an unsigned char pat[8];

Then why don't the global calls using black, white, ltGray, ... work anymore?

Also, is there anywhere in the PD that this ETO stuff (the documentation
described above) can be had w/o getting MPW? I do subscribe to MacTech
and develop && I've read several of the NIM on the Bookmark CDs. I also
use the Think Reference, but it's obviously out of date 'cause it doesn't
know that FillRect, PenPat and such won't respond to those globals.

Finaly, if its something stupid I've done, please tell me. And,

AdvThanksAnce, gary
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Hey Boys & Girls,

Anybody have an idea when the Think Ref Mac ToolBox databases are going to be
in synch with Universal Headers? Last time I checked (TRef 2.0.4), they seemed
basically out of synch. Unfortunate, since the default distribution for 7.0.x
makes only the Universal versions accessible.

--------------------------
Robert M. Fuhrer                                            [e-mail]
Computer Science Department                                 Columbia University


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>Hey Boys & Girls,
>
>Anybody have an idea when the Think Ref Mac ToolBox databases are going to be
>in synch with Universal Headers? Last time I checked (TRef 2.0.4), they seemed
>basically out of synch. Unfortunate, since the default distribution for 7.0.x
>makes only the Universal versions accessible.
>
>--------------------------
>Robert M. Fuhrer                                            [e-mail]
>Computer Science Department                                 Columbia University

As far as I know they are working on it, but that is only hearsay (i.e. I
usually don't believe it till I have it in my hands!<grin>).

Personally, I use Think Ref as a quick check (but go to the NIM if I know
that Think Ref is missing the boat).

Lloyd

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From: Caerwyn Pearce <[e-mail]>
To: Think C Group <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: VERTICAL TEXT DRAWING
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

>>I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not know how to easy draw
>>vertical text. Can someone tell me how to solve this problem?


A couple of ways I can think of.

Use Quickdraw GX. I never have so I can't say much more than it's possible.
One I have implemented , is to draw to an offscreen bitmap, rotate it and copy
it to your display, which I think Lloyd suggested too. If the text is totally
static then just use a PICT, or a collections of PICTs.

Regards


Caerwyn Pearce

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any assistance in unsubscribing from this conference would be
appreciated,  I have tried *****everything.*****



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I JUST COMPILED MY FANCIER VERSION OF THAT CODE (THE CUSTOMER EXAMPLE)
YESTERDAY!  I AM ADDING BELLS AND WHISTLES SUGGESTED LATER IN THE BOOK.  I
WILL SEND YOU A COPY.  IT IS ON MY MACHINE AT HOME SO IT WON'T BE UNTIL
TOMMORROW.  MAYBE YOU COULD SEND ME YOURS.  PERHAPS WE NOVICES CAN HELP EACH
OTHER.


>A C++ neophyte needs help! On the advice of others, I examined and
>purchased the book "Symantec C++ Programming for Macintosh" in order to
>start learning C++ and the TCL. So far it's been helpful, but in Chapter 8
>are exercises, particularily the first with converting standard C code to
>idiomatic C++. My problem is there are no solutions to indicate if I did
>all the expected conversions. Sure, it compiles, but is it good?
>
>        Question: has anybody else gone through these exercises, and could
>share their results with me? Or are they posted someplace? If I posted the
>C source, would any C++ wizards like to re-write a couple pages of code :)
>I see more exercises coming up, and I'm sure I'll run into the same
>questions!
>
>        Stuart Beaton
>        University of Denver
>        [e-mail]
>
>

Marshall
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>any assistance in unsubscribing from this conference would be
>appreciated,  I have tried *****everything.*****

hi,

this was a reminder I got some months ago

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> Anybody have an idea when the Think Ref Mac ToolBox databases are going
> to be in synch with Universal Headers? Last time I checked
> (TRef 2.0.4), they seemed basically out of synch. Unfortunate, since
> the default distribution for 7.0.x makes only the Universal
> versions accessible.

The impression I received from talking with Symantex at MacWorld is that there
will NOT be an update to the IM databases for THINK Reference. They are
licensing the engine and developer tools for THINK Reference so somebody could
develop the new info.

There is another program like THINK Reference that is supposed to be released
in the next couple of months (they were taking orders at MacWorld). This
product looks like it contains all the new IM information and includes some
nice features that THINK Reference does not have like the ability to write
notes on any entry in the database. I'm not sure what this is called but it
was being sold at the Addison-Wesley booth.

Greg Francis

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        I too am a C++ neophyte, although the class I am taking at school
uses the Microsoft compiler for Windows...  I am going to try to be doing
as much of my work as possible at home, but we shall see.  It's good to
know that I'm not the only new C++ coder out there.


-C. J. Durgin
[e-mail]


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From: Brandon Burch <[e-mail]>
Subject:      help with offscreen graphics and the polygon routine
To: [e-mail]

Dear ThinkCers,
   I am in need of some help. I am trying to do some animation from
interpolated results; morphing the inbetweens from two images. All images are
created by going through 60,000 iterations, so I need to save the images off
screen. When all the images are completely drawn, then animate through the
resulting images. I have been able to do this on UNIX, but I would like to
work at home instead always at school. I would like to develop code at home
and then port to the UNIX. Back to the problem at hand; could some one send
some help and/or hints on where to look for a solution.

   The second item could some one tell me how to do a polygon and the necessary
calls. An example would be very helpful.

Thank you in advance,
Brandon Burch
[e-mail]
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Subject: Future of Think Ref and Symantec C/C++
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I've been hearing (reliable?) rumors that Think Ref is being phased out. Ok, I
can certainly see room for improvement, even a complete re-design, but please,
Symantec, don't make me throw all that out and shell out for a completely new
product. I've followed the upgrade path from Think C 4.0 up to SC++ 7.0, at (to
me) non-trivial expense. The upgrade deals have been, well, less than generous
to loyal customers.

Symantec, your products are ok, but they're not THAT good that you can expect
customers to stick with you regardless of what you do in the long run.

So: I think I speak for more than myself when I say that I may just cease
buying Symantec products if Think Ref dies with no truly reasonable upgrade
path for licensed customers.

While I'm at it, a few things that would give me some faith that Symantec's at
least trying to keep my interest (what I'd like to see in SC++/TPM 8.0):

  -- I find the debugger annoying: too many pop-up data panes, too much mousing
     around. There is no support for one-shot expression evaluation. Poor
     breakpoint support: why do I have to display the source line in the
     debugger's source window? What if I know what routine/method I want? It's
     not adequate to have to go back to the Project Mgr, to the Class Browser,
     to the edit window, back to the debugger. A decent command-line interface
     in addition to the GUI would go a long way to solving many such problems.

  -- The project manager has gotten better in 6.0/7.0 (e.g. customization via
     file extensions); but it stops short of any real inspiration in aid to
     development. How about customization via AppleScript, e.g. invoking an
     AppleScript as the build action for a given extension? How about pre- and
     post-compile, and pre- and post-build actions? How hard can it be? It
     would yield a mechanism to forge just about any build process.

  -- The editor is in serious need of enhancement. Nuff said. [But one can say
     more: look at Emacs, Alpha, Object Master if hints are needed.]

  -- The class browser is anemic (under-powered). It gives about 1/8th of what
     I've come to expect in browsers in other environments.

I don't want to come across too strong here, but I've been patiently waiting
the last several years for some sign that the $100+ I fork over every so often
isn't just padding wallets, but going into real design to make coding easier &
faster, and I'm not seeing much.

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Robert M. Fuhrer                                                             450 Computer Science Bldg.
Computer Science Department                                          500 West 120th Street
Columbia University                                                          New York, NY 10027
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From: [e-mail] (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj)
Subject: Re: Future of Think Ref and Symantec C/C++
I agree.  Especially with the upgrade policy.  I've just found it easier,
knowing corporations, to just wait a release or two and the re-buy
the product at more favorable prices that I have access to.  Code
Warrior is definitely getting my attention.
  There's a new book out (Dec, 1994) called "Ultimate Mac Programming"
by Dave Mark.  On the CD rom is an entire Code Warrior product - useable
(except for the vital stuff like save project - you get the idea).  I'll be
checking it out...

                                Regards,

                        Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj


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>   I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not
>   know how to easy draw vertical text. Can someone tell me
>   how to solve this problem?

I think you have to draw into an offscreen bitmap, and rotate the bits.

I can give you the code for this, but not offhand.  I'm starting working on
graph classes, but haven't gotten into the details yet.

Interested in collaborating on these classes?

Adam

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
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>>   I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not
>>   know how to easy draw vertical text. Can someone tell me
>>   how to solve this problem?
>
>I think you have to draw into an offscreen bitmap, and rotate the bits.
>
>I can give you the code for this, but not offhand.  I'm starting working on
>graph classes, but haven't gotten into the details yet.
>
>Interested in collaborating on these classes?
>
>Adam
As a totally personal exercise, I am!


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Subject: Quick help- please

When were the C++ compilers for the mac released by Symantec and Apple
respectively?  Anyone know?


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Subject: Re: THINK-C digest 117

At 12:12 PM 1/10/95 -0800, James Lee wrote:
>>>   I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not
>>>   know how to easy draw vertical text. Can someone tell me
>>>   how to solve this problem?
>>
>>I think you have to draw into an offscreen bitmap, and rotate the bits.
>>
>>I can give you the code for this, but not offhand.  I'm starting working on
>>graph classes, but haven't gotten into the details yet.
>>
>>Interested in collaborating on these classes?
>>
>>Adam
>As a totally personal exercise, I am!
>
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I have code to do this and have sent it to the original poster. I would be
happy to send it to anyone who requests it.

The code handles 90 degree rotation as well as printing on Postscript and
non-Postscript printers.

Steve


Stephen Roderick
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>At 12:12 PM 1/10/95 -0800, James Lee wrote:
>>>>   I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not
>>>>   know how to easy draw vertical text. Can someone tell me
>>>>   how to solve this problem?
>>>

>I have code to do this and have sent it to the original poster. I would be
>happy to send it to anyone who requests it.
>
>The code handles 90 degree rotation as well as printing on Postscript and
>non-Postscript printers.
>
>Steve
>
>
>Stephen Roderick
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I would like very much to get a version of this code.
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I am trying to play around with some of the AOCE stuff, but I need the
related #include files for AOCE (especially OCETemplates.h and OCE.r).  Are
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> At 12:12 PM 1/10/95 -0800, James Lee wrote:
> >>>   I should label vertical axes in a window but I do not
> >>>   know how to easy draw vertical text. Can someone tell me
> >>>   how to solve this problem?
> >>
>
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> I have code to do this and have sent it to the original poster. I would be
> happy to send it to anyone who requests it.
>
> The code handles 90 degree rotation as well as printing on Postscript and
> non-Postscript printers.
>
I hate these "me too" lemming postings, but here I go: Can I have it too
please. I've seen the method for rotating a bit map by 90 degrees described
in an old MacTutor once and I think it can be a piece of very useful code
to have.

Thanks in advance.:

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         Reply to:   RE>>THINK-C digest 117

With respect to the "lemming-like" "me too" postings, how about a posting
that describes how to send mail to a SINGLE person, rather than the who list?
 This would help save on wasted bandwidth.

David

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Thinkers,
    Did I miss something:  Is there really a "
THINK-C digest 117", or is this  just obscure Mac humor?!!!
Ignorant in Texas,
Jim Lee


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Hi David,

He asks concerning me too postings:

If you look at the header of the messaes sent out to you by the listserver, you
will find a "from" line which contains the email address of the original sender.
For a private mailing, address it directly to that address instead of repying to
the message.

Hope this helps,
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>>Stephen Roderick
>>[e-mail]
>
>If you look at the header of the messaes sent out to you by the listserver, you
>will find a "from" line which contains the email address of the original
>>sender. For a private mailing, address it directly to that address instead
>of replying to the message.
>

Excellent point.

Also, Steve's address is in his post. A lazy 'reply' cammand is much easier
than having to type in all those nasty address details  ;)

Sorry to have clogged the bandwidth with this reply.

Dan


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Subject: Re: Future of Think Ref and Symantec C/C++

Thoughts about Think Ref begs the question: is this the future of software
products?  A few years and then off to the software graveyard?

If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest they open
it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create his own
database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go out with a
bang rather than a whimper.

Just my nickle's worth (due to COLA's),

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> Thoughts about Think Ref begs the question: is this the future of software
> products?  A few years and then off to the software graveyard?
>
> If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest they open
> it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create his own
> database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go out with a
> bang rather than a whimper.

As long as a software company continues to derive a revenue stream
from a product, they have no incentive to suddenly start giving away
the product. (There's also the question of infuriating the thousands
of customers who laid down their hard-earned cash for a copy.)

R.
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> If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest
> they open it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create
> his own database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go
> out with a bang rather than a whimper.

My understanding from speaking with Symantec developers at MacWorld is that
the THINK Reference database engine and developer tools will be available for
licensing to third parties to develop their own custom databases. I believe
this has already happened on the newest MacTech CD-ROM. The impression I got
from the same Symantec developers is that the IM databases for THINK Reference
will not be updated to include newer information but they are developing one
for the TCL.

Greg Francis

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> The impression I got from the same Symantec developers is that the IM
> databases for THINK Reference will not be updated to include newer
> information but they are developing one for the TCL.

Great! Then we just might get on-line TCL docs by the time I'm ready to switch
over to OpenDoc!

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Subject: Help Balloons



I need to add Help Balloons to a product that I have developed. I had hoped that the helpful sounding BalloonWriter would do the trick, however ADPA inform me
that it was discontinued due to bugs.

So what I would like is some utility that works in conjunction with ResEdit thatallows me to easily add balloons to my resources. I only have static windows so
I don't have to track anything in my code, I just want to attach the ballons to my buttons and menu items.

I've have Symantec C++ version 7.00. I don't use the THINK Class library, and I only use the THINK C compiler. I thought Visual Architect may do the trick, but
it does'nt want to.

Basically what I'm after is a tool that offers the functionality of BallonWriteras stated in IM (More Macintosh Toolbox)

Thanks

Mark Davies
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>>Stephen Roderick
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> If you look at the header of the messaes sent out to you by the listserver, you
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Not in my mail system there isn't. The sender of the message is the listserver.

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MacTech magazine are using Think Ref to deliver a CD based hyper text version
of all the MacTech magazine issues since year dot. Apparently they had to
develop their own tools to create databases since Symantecs are... how should I
say it... for internal use only (read primative ;-)).

Incidently the new MacTech CD is pretty cool and illustrates what can be done
with Think Ref with a bit of lateral thinking and hard work. I hope for their
sake they have secured the rights to continue to develop Think Ref if
Symantec have chosen not to.

Quentin

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 ------ From: [e-mail] (L. Sargent), Wed, Jan 11, 1995 ------

Thoughts about Think Ref begs the question: is this the future of software
products?  A few years and then off to the software graveyard?

If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest they open
it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create his own
database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go out with a
bang rather than a whimper.

Just my nickle's worth (due to COLA's),

Lloyd


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> Apparently they had to develop their own tools to create databases since
> Symantec's are... how should I say it... for internal use only (read
> primitive).

Can we convince the MacTech people to release or sell these tools? [E.g.,
release to subscribers, sell to others.] Then the programming community could
help save a piece of its investment.

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Just to echo a previous post;  Symantec will be making the compiler
available later this year.  The post that mentioned a discussion at
MacWorld summed up as much as much as I know about the who, what, and when.
We've looked at the Think Reference compiler here and may make use of it
ourselves.  If you take a look at the latest MacTech CD, you'll see just
how effectively it can be used.

As for the Toolbox, it is no secret that AW and Apple demoed a beta of
their Toolbox CD at MacWorld.  It will, no doubt, be a very useful tool.
It covers all the NIM except the PowerPC Numerics volume so it is
relatively complete.  They were taking orders for March delivery so it will
be out fairly soon.

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
______________________________________________________________________________
>> Apparently they had to develop their own tools to create databases since
>> Symantec's are... how should I say it... for internal use only (read
>> primitive).
>
>Can we convince the MacTech people to release or sell these tools? [E.g.,
>release to subscribers, sell to others.] Then the programming community could
>help save a piece of its investment.
>
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: AW and Apple?

What is AW?

>Just to echo a previous post;  Symantec will be making the compiler
>available later this year.  The post that mentioned a discussion at
>MacWorld summed up as much as much as I know about the who, what, and when.
>We've looked at the Think Reference compiler here and may make use of it
>ourselves.  If you take a look at the latest MacTech CD, you'll see just
>how effectively it can be used.
>
>As for the Toolbox, it is no secret that AW and Apple demoed a beta of
>their Toolbox CD at MacWorld.  It will, no doubt, be a very useful tool.
>It covers all the NIM except the PowerPC Numerics volume so it is
>relatively complete.  They were taking orders for March delivery so it will
>be out fairly soon.
>
>Rick Hartmann
>Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
>______________________________________________________________________________
>>> Apparently they had to develop their own tools to create databases since
>>> Symantec's are... how should I say it... for internal use only (read
>>> primitive).
>>
>>Can we convince the MacTech people to release or sell these tools? [E.g.,
>>release to subscribers, sell to others.] Then the programming community could
>>help save a piece of its investment.
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>-
>>Robert M. Fuhrer                                     450 Computer Science
>>Bldg.
>>Computer Science Department                          500 West 120th Street
>>Columbia University                                  New York, NY 10027
>>[e-mail]


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> What is AW?

Addison-Wesley

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: AW and Apple CD Available Now?

Ok,
  I think I am catching on...I didn't get to MacWorld :(
I didn't realize that this is an Apple product and is now available to order.
So, I think this is a bit of a "secret" to all of us who didn't attend.
Suddnely this is becomng clearer.  There is a new CD and we order it from
APDA?, and for how much?
Dumb and dummer daily,
:)
JL
>> What is AW?
>
>Addison-Wesley


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From: [e-mail] (Rick Hartmann)
Subject: Re: AW and Apple?

Addison Wesley, publisher of all of NIM (New Inside Macintosh.)

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
>What is AW?
>
>>Just to echo a previous post;  Symantec will be making the compiler
>>available later this year.  The post that mentioned a discussion at
>>MacWorld summed up as much as much as I know about the who, what, and when.
>>We've looked at the Think Reference compiler here and may make use of it
>>ourselves.  If you take a look at the latest MacTech CD, you'll see just
>>how effectively it can be used.
>>
>>As for the Toolbox, it is no secret that AW and Apple demoed a beta of
>>their Toolbox CD at MacWorld.  It will, no doubt, be a very useful tool.
>>It covers all the NIM except the PowerPC Numerics volume so it is
>>relatively complete.  They were taking orders for March delivery so it will
>>be out fairly soon.
>>
>>Rick Hartmann
>>Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
>>______________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Apparently they had to develop their own tools to create databases since
>>>> Symantec's are... how should I say it... for internal use only (read
>>>> primitive).
>>>
>>>Can we convince the MacTech people to release or sell these tools? [E.g.,
>>>release to subscribers, sell to others.] Then the programming community could
>>>help save a piece of its investment.
>>>
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>-----
>>>-
>>>Robert M. Fuhrer                                     450 Computer Science
>>>Bldg.
>>>Computer Science Department                          500 West 120th Street
>>>Columbia University                                  New York, NY 10027
>>>[e-mail]
>
>
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>From [e-mail] Thu Jan 12 14:20:31 PST 1995
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Subject: Re: AW and Apple CD Available Now?

I'm afraid I'm no help there.  You'll have to call APDA.  I do recall the
price of about $99.  Show price was $79 for orders placed at MacWorld.

Rick Hartmann
Symantec Macintosh Dev Tools Support
______________________________________________________________________________

>Ok,
>  I think I am catching on...I didn't get to MacWorld :(
>I didn't realize that this is an Apple product and is now available to order.
>So, I think this is a bit of a "secret" to all of us who didn't attend.
>Suddnely this is becomng clearer.  There is a new CD and we order it from
>APDA?, and for how much?
>Dumb and dummer daily,
>:)
>JL
>>> What is AW?
>>
>>Addison-Wesley
>
>
>->-->---->-------->---------------->-------------------------------->
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>10550 Richmond Ave., S.250     /     /      /                FAX: [phone]
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>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 13 11:41:53 PST 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Alspaugh)
Subject: Re: Help Balloons

>I need to add Help Balloons to a product that I have developed. I had hoped
>that the helpful sounding BalloonWriter would do the trick, however ADPA
>inform me
>that it was discontinued due to bugs.
>
>So what I would like is some utility that works in conjunction with ResEdit
>thatallows me to easily add balloons to my resources. I only have static
>windows so
>I don't have to track anything in my code, I just want to attach the ballons
>to my buttons and menu items.
>
>I've have Symantec C++ version 7.00. I don't use the THINK Class library, and
>I only use the THINK C compiler. I thought Visual Architect may do the trick,
>but
>it does'nt want to.
>
>Basically what I'm after is a tool that offers the functionality of
>BallonWriteras stated in IM (More Macintosh Toolbox)
>
Mark,

        Why don't you just use Rez?  Type in the balloon help Rez
descriptions just like in Inside Mac Vol. VI and run them through the THINK
Rez compiler.  If you need an example, just use the SADeRez utility to
deRez the help resources from SimpleText using BalloonTypes.r as the
#include file.  I was able to add help balloons to all the menus for my app
in less than 1 hour.  No need to waste time with BalloonWriter or any other
utility.

        If you don't like that, how about using Resorcerer?  I don't have
it myself, but my guess is it might let you edit the various 'hmnu',
'hdlg', 'hwin', and 'hrct' resources directly.

Hope this helps,


Bruce Alspaugh

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>I'm afraid I'm no help there.  You'll have to call APDA.  I do recall the
>price of about $99.  Show price was $79 for orders placed at MacWorld.
>
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How does this differ from the DocViewer documents ond the Developer CD's?
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>>
>> Thoughts about Think Ref begs the question: is this the future of software
>> products?  A few years and then off to the software graveyard?
>>
>> If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest they open
>> it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create his own
>> database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go out with a
>> bang rather than a whimper.
>
>As long as a software company continues to derive a revenue stream
>from a product, they have no incentive to suddenly start giving away
>the product. (There's also the question of infuriating the thousands
>of customers who laid down their hard-earned cash for a copy.)
>
>R.

Not to be niggly about it, but if a product is dropped, how can it produce
revenue?

BTW, what is the going rate for a license to the engine?

Lloyd


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Is this the correct list server address for the Think-C list ?


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Thank you for all the answers.
The solution for drawing vertical labels is solved.
The best solution is to get STEPHEN RODERICK's code (Thank you very much!).
This code works realy fine. Because I used it together with CodeWarrior,
I hade to change "thePort" to "dq.thePort" the new name for the QuickDraw
global variable (off A5).


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Hey gang,
    Anyone seen any public domain screen saver type code?  I am curious as
to what they must do to run correctly.
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        I have a program I would like to show one PICT if the
screen is B&W and another PICT if it is in color.  How can I do that in
such a way that it can run on System 6?

>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 13 21:25:34 PST 1995
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>
> >>
> >> Thoughts about Think Ref begs the question: is this the future of software
> >> products?  A few years and then off to the software graveyard?
> >>
> >> If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest they open
> >> it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create his own
> >> database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go out with a
> >> bang rather than a whimper.
> >
> >As long as a software company continues to derive a revenue stream
> >from a product, they have no incentive to suddenly start giving away
> >the product. (There's also the question of infuriating the thousands
> >of customers who laid down their hard-earned cash for a copy.)
> >
> >R.
>
> Not to be niggly about it, but if a product is dropped, how can it produce
> revenue?

What makes you think it's been dropped? It's true that there's no
outward indication that there's engineering work going on, but the
product is still available for retail sale, and that's pretty much
all that counts.

R.

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>>
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts about Think Ref begs the question: is this the future of software
>> >> products?  A few years and then off to the software graveyard?
>> >>
>> >> If they truly ARE going to drop the product, then I would suggest they
>>open
>> >> it up and make it public domain. Let the "common man" create his own
>> >> database (oooh, now THAT would be nice!).  Let the product go out with a
>> >> bang rather than a whimper.
>> >
>> >As long as a software company continues to derive a revenue stream
>> >from a product, they have no incentive to suddenly start giving away
>> >the product. (There's also the question of infuriating the thousands
>> >of customers who laid down their hard-earned cash for a copy.)
>> >
>> >R.
>>
>> Not to be niggly about it, but if a product is dropped, how can it produce
>> revenue?
>
>What makes you think it's been dropped? It's true that there's no
>outward indication that there's engineering work going on, but the
>product is still available for retail sale, and that's pretty much
>all that counts.
>
>R.

I think it was dropped because someone earlier said that Symantec had
dropped it. If that is indeed wrong, then my apologies.

My suggestion was that IF and only IF it was dropped that it be made public
domain. I was not at all suggesting the Symantec give a revenue generating
program away for free. I was not suggesting that Symantec give a program
that is currently available for retail sale away for free. Geez!

Lloyd


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>        I have a program I would like to show one PICT if the
>screen is B&W and another PICT if it is in color.  How can I do that in
>such a way that it can run on System 6?
Mauricio,

        Determining the number of bits per pixel is not particularly
difficult.  Make sure that you are drawing into a color grafPort
(introduced with Color QD in System 6) and fetch the pixel size from the
associated pixMap.  I've used code something like this:

short ScreenDepth(void)
{
   GrafPtr         theCGrafPtr;
   PixMapHandle    thePortPixMapH;

   theCGrafPtr = /* fetch the grafPtr for your window here */
   thePortPixMapH = ((CGrafPtr)theCGrafPtr)->portPixMap;
   return (*thePortPixMapH)->pixelSize;
}

Hope this helps,


Bruce Alspaugh


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        I remember reading some discussion (archive) with screensavers being
        discussed. It explained (to me) why someone wouldn't want to make
        a screensaver :) Too many traps to patch, so many things for which
        to look out.

        Anyway ... there are screensaver source code goodies out there.
        Look for an old init named 'public blanket', the 'Darkside of
        the Mac' is an application that also runs After Dark modules.

        You may wish to check out Lloyd Wood's screensaver FAQ (URL is
        ftp://ftp.att.com/pub/afterdark/ somewhere - like FAQ or something).

        Heck - I have a lot of After Dark screensaver module source code
        there also.

                - joe


>Hey gang,
>    Anyone seen any public domain screen saver type code?  I am curious as
>to what they must do to run correctly.
>Inquiring minds...
>Jim Lee
>
>
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>        Determining the number of bits per pixel is not particularly
>difficult.  Make sure that you are drawing into a color grafPort
>(introduced with Color QD in System 6) and fetch the pixel size from the
>associated pixMap.  I've used code something like this:
>
>short ScreenDepth(void)
>{
>   GrafPtr         theCGrafPtr;
>   PixMapHandle    thePortPixMapH;
>
>   theCGrafPtr = /* fetch the grafPtr for your window here */
>   thePortPixMapH = ((CGrafPtr)theCGrafPtr)->portPixMap;
>   return (*thePortPixMapH)->pixelSize;
>}
>

short   GetPortBitDepth(GrafPtr thisPort)
{
return  (((CGrafPtr)(thisPort))->portVersion & 0xc000)==0xc000?
(((PixMap*)*(((CGrafPtr)thisP
ort)->portPixMap))->pixelSize):1;
}

My code checks the window to see if it is a CGrafPtr of a GrafPtr and will
work with either a colour or a BW window.

Any comments.

Yours Richard.


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>>What makes you think it's been dropped? It's true that there's no
>>outward indication that there's engineering work going on, but the
>>product is still available for retail sale, and that's pretty much
>>all that counts.
>>

The Mac has changed a lot since Think Ref was last changed. It is now out
of date. No Quicktime. No sound manager 3.0. No pointers to any of the new
Inside Mac volumes.

>>R.
>
>I think it was dropped because someone earlier said that Symantec had
>dropped it. If that is indeed wrong, then my apologies.
>
>Lloyd
>

I heard from Caroline Rose editor at Develop that Symantec were dropping
Think Ref.
Other rumours include that of Symantec people saying that they thought that
"everyone who wanted a copy had one and that they would therefore make no
money out of supporting it"!!!

But Symantec manage to come up with trivial upgrades to Think C every 6
months or so for which they charge =A3150,
I recently received notice of yet another upgrade - Think C on CD-Rom with
updates three times a year =A3150.
Think C has never had three significant  upgrades  a year in the past, what
use would be three CD-ROM upgrades a year.

I have purchased upgrades to Think C twice in the last year, and neither
upgrade made any real functional improvements to the use of Think C.

The Think C user interface has stagnated.

Its a pity about Think Ref. It was my favourite piece of Mac software.


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You should use GDevices to determine screen depth. Looking at the pixmap
pointed to by a grafPtr will only give you the depth of the main screen.

Use GetDeviceList and GetNextDevice and look at the bounding rectangles of
the devices that you find. These calls exist for all color quickdraw machines.

        Juri
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>        I have a program I would like to show one PICT if the
>screen is B&W and another PICT if it is in color.  How can I do that in
>such a way that it can run on System 6?

Perhaps you might check out DeviceLoop().  This is useful if your window
happens to span one screen with a depth of 1 and another screen with some
other depth.


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Wintermyre)
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Subject: Re: Future of Think Ref and Symantec C/C++

Hi, I'd just like to add my $.02 to this thread:

> As long as a software company continues to derive a revenue stream
> from a product, they have no incentive to suddenly start giving away
> the product. (There's also the question of infuriating the thousands
> of customers who laid down their hard-earned cash for a copy.)

I think it would have been a good idea to make their database compiler
pulic domain.  That way, developers could make their own TR databases, and
Symantec still gets revenue from TR.  I'd bet that there are several people
on the net who would like to develop their own databases and put them in
the public domain.  Having all these new databases available would create
more demand for TR (which is still used quite a bit even though it's now
becoming out of date, just because it is such a cool program).  From a
user's perspective, this would at least demonstrate that Symantec is as
interested in its TR customers at least as much as it is in making a buck.
In the end, both the developers and the company benefit.

I asked about this at MacHack, and was told that it probably wouldn't
happen just because the database compiler tools were so primitive.  Oh
well, it looks like this won't be an issue much longer if the MacTech tools
become available.  I just think it's too bad that Symantec didn't take the
initiative.  It's the same thing that's happening with THINK Pascal.  If
they keep this trend up I don't think it bodes well for their future.

Just my opinion.

Jim

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> I think it would have been a good idea to make their database compiler
> pulic domain.  That way, developers could make their own TR databases, and
> Symantec still gets revenue from TR.  I'd bet that there are several people
> on the net who would like to develop their own databases and put them in
> the public domain.

Actually, I'd think giving TR away and selling the (hopefully polished)
tools to generate databases would be a better idea in the long run.
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Subject: Any OpenDoc folks out there?

Thinkers,
   I just received my new OpenDoc CD and am disapapointed.  The ReadMe
contains the following::

This folder contains the ingredients you need to set up an OpenDoc=81 part
editor development environment on your machine. We provide two different
configurations: Metrowerks CodeWarrior C/C++ for Power Macintosh, and MPW
(with the Symantec C/C++ compiler) for 68k Macintosh. You can also use PPCC
or MRC with MPW, but those compilers are not provided on this CD. You'll
have to get them from ETO 15.

=46or more details, see the Read Me files of the appropriate subfolders.

No mention of Symantec w/o MPW.  Does anyone know of a way around this or
do I need to buy MPW?

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I've written a program in ANSI C and have compiled it using the Symantec
Think C 6.0 compiler. The program uses the default console window.

I would like to change the foreground and background colours. I would be
grateful if someone could send me fragments of source code that will
change the colours and that will be accepted by the above compiler.

Thanks.

Martin Mamo
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Accordong to an article (from Reuters) hidden on page 2 of today's Houston
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1)  how do I get list of programs stored in this think-c archive? 2) ANy recommendations on grep code in think-c 3) any recommendations on dialog box source code in this archive or elsewehre.  just simple stuff thanks
[e-mail]
David A. Guterman
617/726-3669
Neuropsychology, Mass General Hospital
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Subject: Newbie Book Suggestion

David,
   Do yu have any of the books?
   Dan Parks Sydow's Think THINK C has for good starter programs in C
   David Mark's Macintosh C Programming Primer is also excellent

Both are reasonably priced.

 1)  how do I get list of programs stored in this think-c archive? 2) ANy
recommendations on grep code in think-c 3) any recommendations on dialog
box source code in this archive or elsewehre.  just simple stuff thanks
>[e-mail]
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>617/726-3669
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Newbie Help 2

>1)  how do I get list of programs stored in this think-c archive?
_This_ isn't the think-C archive.  You will need to have some sort of
network access program, like Fetch, or Gopher to get to the archive.

2) ANy recommendations on grep code in think-c
I use command+F at the finder level (new s7.5 find is powerful, but sloew-
but I put up with it), and command+F within think.  Between the 2 I get by.
What ver. OS and Thinmk?

3) any recommendations on dialog box source code in this archive or
elsewehre.  just simple stuff thanks

I will see what I can cook up (and am free to release) .  You know about
ResEdit- right?

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Subject: Re: Future of Think Ref and Symantec C/C++

>>>What makes you think it's been dropped? It's true that there's no
>>>outward indication that there's engineering work going on, but the
>>>product is still available for retail sale, and that's pretty much
>>>all that counts.
>>>
>
>The Mac has changed a lot since Think Ref was last changed. It is now out
>of date. No Quicktime. No sound manager 3.0. No pointers to any of the new
>Inside Mac volumes.
>
>>>R.
>>
>>I think it was dropped because someone earlier said that Symantec had
>>dropped it. If that is indeed wrong, then my apologies.
>>
>>Lloyd
>>
>
>I heard from Caroline Rose editor at Develop that Symantec were dropping
>Think Ref.
>Other rumours include that of Symantec people saying that they thought that
>"everyone who wanted a copy had one and that they would therefore make no
>money out of supporting it"!!!
>
>But Symantec manage to come up with trivial upgrades to Think C every 6
>months or so for which they charge =A3150,
>I recently received notice of yet another upgrade - Think C on CD-Rom with
>updates three times a year =A3150.
>Think C has never had three significant  upgrades  a year in the past, what
>use would be three CD-ROM upgrades a year.
>
>I have purchased upgrades to Think C twice in the last year, and neither
>upgrade made any real functional improvements to the use of Think C.
>
>The Think C user interface has stagnated.
>
>Its a pity about Think Ref. It was my favourite piece of Mac software.

Yeah, it was pretty much my favorite as well (despite the innumerable
spelling mistakes). Oh, well...

Lloyd


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Subject: $500 million Pentium Flaw

>Accordong to an article (from Reuters) hidden on page 2 of today's Houston
>Chronicle Business section, the Pentium flaw will cost Intel $500 million.
>Rather sobering numbers, even for someone strong like Intel!

Jim,

One thing that they usually don't tell you is that that estimate is based
on Pentiums retail cost (not bulk price which is significantly lower).

Not to be wicked or anything, but is is awfully convenient that they made
the announcement BEFORE the end of the year (can you say tax writeoff?).

Lloyd

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Subject: Re: $500 million Pentium Flaw

I don't consider that comment "wicked" at all.  The opposite of profit is
loss, and eventually bankruptcy.  I have no problem with smart business
moves, and it will be a _very legit_ (albeit huge) writeoff!

>>Accordong to an article (from Reuters) hidden on page 2 of today's Houston
>>Chronicle Business section, the Pentium flaw will cost Intel $500 million.
>>Rather sobering numbers, even for someone strong like Intel!
>
>Jim,
>
>One thing that they usually don't tell you is that that estimate is based
>on Pentiums retail cost (not bulk price which is significantly lower).
>
>Not to be wicked or anything, but is is awfully convenient that they made
>the announcement BEFORE the end of the year (can you say tax writeoff?).
>
>Lloyd
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>From "CADVAX::MARKD"@LEVA.ICF.LEEDS.AC.UK Thu Jan 19 02:35:31 PST 1995
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Hello Bruce,

Thanks for your help,

yes it was easy to add them.

I think my problem was that for some reason I thought Resedit and (THINK) REZ
were mutually exclusive. So having done all my dialogs in resedit I did'nt feel
like doing them again in REZ. So imagine my suprise when I looked at the chapter on THINK REZ, which has the diagram and an explanation of what THINK REZ does.

Thanks again for removing my blindspot.

Mark Davies
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oops

Sorry about my last message.

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Jim

I believe the problem is the lack of support for the 68K versions of the CFM
(code fragment manager) and MMM (mixed mode manager) in both Symantec and
Codewarrior compilers for 68K. This should change in the next version of both
compilers (8.0 for Symantec and CW6 for Codewarrior).

Quentin

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No mention of Symantec w/o MPW.  Does anyone know of a way around this or
do I need to buy MPW?


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Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this be implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to each other?
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Hey, does anyone know a workaround for the bug in System 7.5 that causes
StartUpScreens to mess up, or do we just have to wait around until Apple
send an update? <g>

Thanx, David Christensen

David Christensen
Vector Development
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Subject: What system 7.5 bugs?

David,
  How about a few details here please.  I switch em often and they seem to
work fine.  Get me some details and I might be able to dig up an answer.

Jim Lee

>Hey, does anyone know a workaround for the bug in System 7.5 that causes
>StartUpScreens to mess up, or do we just have to wait around until Apple
>send an update? <g>
>
>Thanx, David Christensen
>
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>Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this
>be implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to
>each other?

Yes it does.

However...

Hash tables tend to be something you program and not something that comes
WITH a library (at least no library that I have worked with). I tend to
prefer to roll my own since hashing functions are only as good as the data
you are sending through them.

As for the fastest way to compare two big lists of words against each
other, that is beyond me. You might want to try Knuth's "Sorting and
Searching".

Cheers,

Lloyd



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>  How about a few details here please.  I switch em often and they seem to
>work fine.  Get me some details and I might be able to dig up an answer.

I've had it happen to myself a few times.  What happened to me was that the
startup screen would display perhaps the first quarter (top) of the
picture, and then pretend as if the rest wasn't there, and leave the 'grey'
pattern that is the standard background.

Todd

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>>Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this
be >>implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to
each other?


Hashing is an algorithm, from that point of view Think C will support the
mechanism. I'm afraid I don't know of any particular references but you may want
to look at either Knuth or 'Algorithms in C'. The first is widely known, the
second is in the APDA catalogue. Depending on what you're trying to acheive is
Munger() not good enough?

I have come across a library on Compuserve in MACDEV called GPERF.CPT. It is a
think C implemnentation of perfect hash tables, including source. It would
presumably be available elsewhere too.

Caerwyn Pearce

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I'm teaching myself C using SC++7.0.4 and am working thru the
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> I've had it happen to myself a few times.  What happened to me was
> that the startup screen would display perhaps the first quarter (top)
> of the picture, and then pretend as if the rest wasn't there, and
> leave the 'grey' pattern that is the standard background.

Once the problem occurs once, does it occur every time thereafter or only
periodically?

Greg

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Knuth's "Sorting & Searching"

Lloyd,
   I presume that is a book; does it have sample C/C++ code?

Inquiring minds know to want!
Jim

>>Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this
>>be implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to
>>each other?
>
>Yes it does.
>
>However...
>
>Hash tables tend to be something you program and not something that comes
>WITH a library (at least no library that I have worked with). I tend to
>prefer to roll my own since hashing functions are only as good as the data
>you are sending through them.
>
>As for the fastest way to compare two big lists of words against each
>other, that is beyond me. You might want to try Knuth's "Sorting and
>Searching".
>
>Cheers,
>
>Lloyd
>
>
>
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Subject: JM- Apple Earnings Good News

>Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:15:08 -0700
>From: msgate.apple.com!Nolen#m#_Dan ("Nolen, Dan")
>Subject: Apple Earnings
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>From: Ezell, James on Thu, Jan 19, 1995 4:09 PM
>Subject: What you've been waiting for...
>To: "A Cheery Thought"; AAC-Anderson All
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>Just off of AppleLink...
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>
>CUPERTINO, California--January 19, 1995--Apple Computer, Inc., today
>announced record revenues, and earnings for its first fiscal quarter,
>which ended December 30, 1994.
>     For the quarter, Apple's revenues were $2.83 billion, a 15% increase
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>after taxes) related to a reduction in the estimate of costs
>associated with certain restructuring activities that began in fiscal
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>     Simultaneously, Apple  announced that it shipped its one millionth
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>     "In 1994, when Apple took the lead in bringing RISC technology to
>mainstream personal computing, we embarked on a major transition in
>our business," said Michael Spindler, Apple's president and chief
>executive officer.  "Today's one million unit milestone is a
>testament to our customers' acceptance of Power Macintosh as their
>platform for the future, and to Apple's ability to deliver on its
>objectives."
>     The Company also attributed its record revenues to demand for its
>entry-level multimedia Macintosh products, including the Performa
>630.  Shipments of Apple's Performa products were particularly strong
>to consumer and home office customers.
>     During the quarter, developer support for the Power Macintosh
>platform grew.  There are now over 400 Macintosh  applications on the
>market which have been optimized to take full advantage of the high
>performance of the Reduced Instruction Set Computer (RISC)-based
>Power Macintosh system.
>     In addition, the first licensees of the Mac OS --Macintosh operating
>system--announced their intentions to market PowerPC systems running
>the Mac OS.  Radius Corporation and Power Computing, Inc. both
>announced that they expect to bring their systems to market during
>calendar 1995.
>     In November, Apple, IBM Corporation, and Motorola announced that they
>intend to define and market a common hardware platform based on the
>PowerPC microprocessor.  This hardware platform is intended to be
>capable of running multiple operating systems, including the
>Macintosh OS, Warp/OS2, and Windows NT.
>     "We are committed to openly licensing the Macintosh OS,"  said
>Spindler.  "We believe that our first licensing agreements, together
>with the creation of a common hardware reference platform for PowerPC
>based computers, lays a foundation for broader acceptance of the
>Macintosh."
>     Compared with the first fiscal quarter a year ago, the Company's
>improved earnings were the result of strong revenue growth combined
>with higher gross margins as a percentage of net sales.  Gross
>margins improved to 28.7% of net sales in the first quarter of fiscal
>1995 from 24.0% of net sales in the same period a year ago.  The
>improvement in gross margins was due primarily to the introduction
>and sale of new higher margin products, including Power Macintosh
>computers.
>     Operating expenses for the first quarter, without the impact of
>restructuring adjustments, were 19.3% of net sales, down from 21.4%
>of net sales in the first quarter a year ago, and represented one of
>the Company's lowest operating expense ratios in its history.  The
>improvement in operating expenses as a percentage of net sales was
>due to the Company's ability to increase revenues, while holding
>operating expenses at essentially the same level as Q1 1994.
>     Apple Computer, Inc., a recognized pioneer and innovator in the
>information industry, creates powerful solutions based on easy-to-use
>personal computers, servers, peripherals, software, online services,
>and personal digital assistants.  Headquartered in Cupertino,
>California, Apple (NASDAQ:AAPL) develops, manufactures, licenses and
>markets products, technologies and services for the business
>education, consumer, scientific & engineering and government markets
>in over 140 countries.
>-30-
>Apple, the Apple logo, Macintosh, and Performa are registered
>trademarks and the Mac OS  and Power Macintosh are trademarks of
>Apple Computer, Inc., registered in the US and other countries.
>
>
>APPLE COMPUTER, INC.
>CONSOLIDATED STATEMENTS OF INCOME (UNAUDITED)
>
>(In millions, except per share amounts)
>
>                                       Three Months Ended
>                                     December 30,   December 31,
>                                         1994          1993
>
>Net sales                            $    2,832       $   2,469
>
>Costs and expenses:
>  Cost of sales                            2,018           1,877
>  Research and development                 132           152
>  Selling, general and administrative       415          375
>  Restructuring costs                       (17)             --
>
>                                           2,548           2,404
>
>Operating income                           284            65
>Interest and other income (expense), net    15            --
>
>Income before income taxes                   299              65
>Provision for income taxes                   111              25
>
>Net income                            $      188     $      40
>
>Earnings per common
>  and common equivalent share        $     1.55     $    0.34
>
>Cash dividends paid per common share  $     0.12     $    0.12
>
>Common and common equivalent shares
>  used in the calculations
>  of earnings per share                121,600       116,956
>
>
>APPLE COMPUTER, INC.
>CONSOLIDATED BALANCE SHEETS (UNAUDITED)
>
>(In millions)
>                                        December 30,     September 30,
>                                            1994            1994
>
>Assets
>
>Current assets:
>  Cash and short-term investments          $  1,587         $  1,258
>  Accounts receivable                         1,599         1,581
>  Inventories                                 1,084         1,088
>  Deferred tax assets                           269           293
>  Other current assets                         179            256
>
>Total current assets                           4,718            4,476
>
>Net property, plant, and equipment             661            667
>Other assets                                     154              160
>
>                                          $  5,533         $  5,303
>
>(In millions)
>                                          December 30,   September 30,
>                                             1994            1994
>
>Liabilities and Shareholders' Equity
>
>Current liabilities:
>  Short-term borrowings                   $   209        $   292
>  Accounts payable                             956            882
>  Accrued compensation and benefits           129             137
>  Accrued marketing and distribution             275              178
>  Accrued restructuring costs                   32             58
>  Other current liabilities                   334             397
>
>Total current liabilities                     1,935         1,944
>
>Long-term debt                                 304            305
>Deferred tax liabilities                         732              671
>
>Shareholders' equity:
>  Common stock                                  309              298
>  Retained earnings                          2,270          2,096
>  Other                                       (17)           (11)
>
>  Total shareholders' equity                   2,562            2,383
>
>                                            $  5,533       $  5,303
>
>
>
>AppleLink Pathway
>News Break
>Apple & Industry News
>PR Express
>Apple Press Releases
>1/19/95
>
>
>
>


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>The following Fact Sheet moved over PR Newswire and First Call on Thursday,
>January 19, 1995 at 2:08 PM, PST.
>

>Power Macintosh Fact Sheet
>On March 14, 1994, Apple Computer introduced Power Macintosh--a new
>family of PowerPC-based personal computers which offers an impressive
>combination of power, price/performance and compatibility.  Today,
>just ten months after the introduction, more than 1 million Power Mac
>systems and upgrades have been shipped through the end of 1994, well
>ahead of Apple's stated goal of shipping 1 million systems within the
>product's first 12 months.  Support for Power Mac from software
>developers continues to be strong with over 450 "native" applications
>which have been optimized for Power Mac and provide two to five times
>the performance of today's fastest 68040 and 486-based PCs.  And, a
>recent Ingram Labs study determined that Power Mac systems
>outperformed Windows computers based on equivalent clock-speed
>Pentium processors by an average of 38%.
>
>Some interesting facts and figures about the first ten months of
>Power Macintosh...
>
>Power Macintosh Shipments
>Power Macintosh Systems and Upgrades shipped from:
>   March 14 through March 31                         150,000
>   April through June 1994                         225,000
>   July through September 1994                     275,000
>   October through December 1994                     375,000
>
>   Total shipments                              1,025,000
>   (March 14 through December 31, 1994)
>
>Power Macintosh Applications
>Number of applications on:
>
>   March 14, 1994 (Power Mac Launch)                     38
>   June 16                                           100
>   August 1                                          200
>   December 1                                          400
>   December 31                                        434
>Total applications available as of January 18, 1995  469
>
>Power Macintosh Awards
>A selection of awards received for the Power Mac
>
>- Byte Magazine Award of Excellence for Power Macintosh line
>- MacUser Magazine Eddy Award for Hardware Product of the
>Year-Power Macintosh 6100/60
>- MacWorld Magazine World Class Award for Most Promising Newcomer,
>Hardware-Power Macintosh
>- Best of What's New Award from Popular Science for the Power
>Macintosh line
>- Readers' Choice Award from MacHome Journal for the Favorite
>Macintosh-Power Mac 7100/66
>- Best of the Best Award from ComputerLife Magazine for the Power
>Macintosh 7100/66
>- Best Products of 1994 Award from BusinessWeek for Power
>Macintosh/PowerPC
>- Technical Innovation Award for Best Desktop System from PC
>Magazine UK-Power Mac 8100/80
>- Most Important Products of 1994 from Information Week for the
>Power Macintosh Product Line
>- Impact Award from Publish Magazine for Power Macintosh
>
>Current Power Macintosh Configurations
>Apple prices in U.S. dollars:
>
>Power Macintosh 6100/66
>8/250............................... $1,819
>8/350/CD-ROM.........................$2,029
>16/500/DOS Compatible................$2,759
>
>Power Macintosh 7100/80
>8/500................................$2,899
>8/700/CD-ROM.........................$3,239
>16/700/CD-ROM/AV.....................$3,829
>
>Power Macintosh 8100/100
>8/700................................$3,699
>16/1G/CD-ROM.........................$4,559
>16/1G/CD-ROM/AV......................$4,779
>
>Power Macintosh 8100/110
>16/2G/CD-ROM........................$6,379
>
>Contact:
>Eric Wee
>Apple Computer, Inc.
>408-862-7797
>
>AppleLink Pathway
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>PR Express
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>1/19/94
>
>
>
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I would like to remind people that this is a Think C related mailing list
and that there are more appropriate mailing lists and newsgroups for general
Macintosh-related discussions. While Apple press releases may be interesting
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Subject: Think-C List- agreed- sorry

Juri,
  Somehow the mass mail list address got added to my "Need Apple News List"-
My apologies to you and the group!
:)
Jim

>I would like to remind people that this is a Think C related mailing list
>and that there are more appropriate mailing lists and newsgroups for general
>Macintosh-related discussions. While Apple press releases may be interesting
>for most of the readers of this list, I don't think they have anything to do
>with Think C.
>
>        Juri Munkki
>        [e-mail]


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From: Adam Treister <[e-mail]>
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>Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this
>be implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to
>each other?

Here comes a simple hashTable, out of Timothy Budd's book.  I got it off a
server that was (I think) cs.orst.edu.  You'll have to sed (or search and
replace for us mac weenies) out the X's.

Interested Webbers should cruise www.nih.gov looking for the NIHCL (nickel)
class library.  It does all the smalltalk objects in C++.  There's also a useful
review there of several public domain class libraries.  Most are just these
textbook classes, so they are pretty much machine independent.  But they do
require C++, so Think 5 may need porting.

(My hotlist with all the C resources got trashed, so most of this is from
memory)

Adam



echo x - openHashTable.h
sed 's/^X//' >openHashTable.h << 'END-of-openHashTable.h'
X//==================================================================
X//     File:           openHashTable.h
X//     Author:         Timothy A. Budd
X//     Platform:       Cfront
X//     Description:    Template Description of open addressing hash table ADT
X//     Copyright (c) 1992 by Timothy A. Budd, All Rights Reserved
X//     Permission granted for duplication if not for profit
X//==================================================================
X
X# ifndef openHashTableH
X# define openHashTableH
X
X//
X//     class openHashTable
X//             external hash table
X//             type T must supply function ``isEmpty'' and equality test
X//
X
X# include <rstream.h>
X
Xtemplate <class T> class openHashTableIterator;
X
Xtemplate <class T> class openHashTable {
Xpublic:
X       // constructor
X       openHashTable(const string & name, unsigned int (*f)(const T &));
X
X       // operations
X       void create(unsigned int size);
X       int add(const T &);
X       int  includes(T &);
X       void remove(const T &);
X
Xprivate:
X       friend class openHashTableIterator<T>;
X       // data values - hash function, random access stream and size of file
X       unsigned int  (*hashfun)(const T &);
X       rstream<T>    rfile;
X       unsigned int  size;
X};
X
X# endif
END-of-openHashTable.h


echo x - openHashTable.c
sed 's/^X//' >openHashTable.c << 'END-of-openHashTable.c'
X//==================================================================
X//     File:           openHashTable.c
X//     Author:         Timothy A. Budd
X//     Platform:       Cfront
X//     Description:  Template implementation of open addressing hash table ADT
X//     Copyright (c) 1992 by Timothy A. Budd, All Rights Reserved
X//     Permission granted for duplication if not for profit
X//==================================================================
X
X//
X//     implementation file for open hash tables
X//
X
Xtemplate <class T>
XopenHashTable<T>::openHashTable(const string & name, unsigned int (*f)(const T
&))
X       : hashfun(f), rfile(name)
X{
X       // determine size of file
X       size = rfile.length();
X}
X
Xtemplate <class T> void openHashTable<T>::create(unsigned int sz)
X{      // create a new open Hash Table with sz records
X       size = sz;
X
X       // assume default constructor sets known value
X       T initialValue;
X       for (unsigned int i = 0; i < sz; i++)
X               rfile.put(i, initialValue);
X}
X
Xtemplate <class T> int openHashTable<T>::add(const T & value)
X{      // add record to an open hash table
X
X       // find initial hash value
X       unsigned int hashValue = (*hashfun)(value) % size;
X       unsigned int index = hashValue;
X
X       // see if occupied
X       T currentValue;
X       rfile.get(index, currentValue);
X       while (! isEmpty(currentValue)) {
X               // see if next record is empty
X               index = index + 1;
X               if (index >= size)
X                       index = 0;
X               if (index == hashValue)
X                       return 0;
X               rfile.get(index, currentValue);
X               }
X       // found an empty position
X       rfile.put(index, value);
X       return 1;
X}
X
X
Xtemplate <class T> int openHashTable<T>::includes(T & value)
X{
X       unsigned int hashValue = (*hashfun)(value) % size;
X       unsigned int index = hashValue;
X       T currentValue;
X       rfile.get(index, currentValue);
X       // loop as long as we don't see value
X       while (! (currentValue == value)) {
X               if (isEmpty(currentValue))
X                       return 0;
X               index = index + 1;
X               if (index >= size)
X                       index = 0;
X               if (index == hashValue)
X                       return 0;
X               rfile.get(index, currentValue);
X               }
X
X
X       // found it, set value
X       value = currentValue;
X       return 1;
X}
X
Xtemplate <class T> void openHashTable<T>::remove(const T & value)
X{      // add record to an open hash table
X
X       // find initial hash value
X       unsigned int hashValue = (*hashfun)(value) % size;
X       unsigned int index = hashValue;
X
X       // see if occupied
X       T currentValue;
X       rfile.get(index, currentValue);
X       // loop as long as we don't see value
X       while (! (currentValue == value)) {
X               // see if next record is empty
X               index = index + 1;
X               if (index >= size)
X                       index = 0;
X               if (index == hashValue)
X                       return;
X               rfile.get(index, currentValue);
X               }
X       // found it, empty it out
X       T empty;
X       rfile.put(index, empty);
X       return;
X}
X
X
END-of-openHashTable.c

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: does think 5 support hash tables

Adam,
   I got into www.nih.gov and spent an hour looking around.  Would you have
a "roadmap" to the NIHCL (nickel)?
:)
Thanks,
JL

>>Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this
>>be implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to
>>each other?
>
>Here comes a simple hashTable, out of Timothy Budd's book.  I got it off a
>server that was (I think) cs.orst.edu.  You'll have to sed (or search and
>replace for us mac weenies) out the X's.
>
>Interested Webbers should cruise www.nih.gov looking for the NIHCL (nickel)
>class library.  It does all the smalltalk objects in C++.  There's also a
>useful
>review there of several public domain class libraries.  Most are just these
>textbook classes, so they are pretty much machine independent.  But they do
>require C++, so Think 5 may need porting.
>
>(My hotlist with all the C resources got trashed, so most of this is from
>memory)
>
>Adam
>
>
>
>echo x - openHashTable.h
>sed 's/^X//' >openHashTable.h << 'END-of-openHashTable.h'
>X//==================================================================
>X//     File:           openHashTable.h
>X//     Author:         Timothy A. Budd
>X//     Platform:       Cfront
>X//     Description:    Template Description of open addressing hash table ADT
>X//     Copyright (c) 1992 by Timothy A. Budd, All Rights Reserved
>X//     Permission granted for duplication if not for profit
>X//==================================================================
>X
>X# ifndef openHashTableH
>X# define openHashTableH
>X
>X//
>X//     class openHashTable
>X//             external hash table
>X//             type T must supply function ``isEmpty'' and equality test
>X//
>X
>X# include <rstream.h>
>X
>Xtemplate <class T> class openHashTableIterator;
>X
>Xtemplate <class T> class openHashTable {
>Xpublic:
>X       // constructor
>X       openHashTable(const string & name, unsigned int (*f)(const T &));
>X
>X       // operations
>X       void create(unsigned int size);
>X       int add(const T &);
>X       int  includes(T &);
>X       void remove(const T &);
>X
>Xprivate:
>X       friend class openHashTableIterator<T>;
>X       // data values - hash function, random access stream and size of file
>X       unsigned int  (*hashfun)(const T &);
>X       rstream<T>    rfile;
>X       unsigned int  size;
>X};
>X
>X# endif
>END-of-openHashTable.h
>
>
>echo x - openHashTable.c
>sed 's/^X//' >openHashTable.c << 'END-of-openHashTable.c'
>X//==================================================================
>X//     File:           openHashTable.c
>X//     Author:         Timothy A. Budd
>X//     Platform:       Cfront
>X//     Description:  Template implementation of open addressing hash table ADT
>X//     Copyright (c) 1992 by Timothy A. Budd, All Rights Reserved
>X//     Permission granted for duplication if not for profit
>X//==================================================================
>X
>X//
>X//     implementation file for open hash tables
>X//
>X
>Xtemplate <class T>
>XopenHashTable<T>::openHashTable(const string & name, unsigned int (*f)(const T
>&))
>X       : hashfun(f), rfile(name)
>X{
>X       // determine size of file
>X       size = rfile.length();
>X}
>X
>Xtemplate <class T> void openHashTable<T>::create(unsigned int sz)
>X{      // create a new open Hash Table with sz records
>X       size = sz;
>X
>X       // assume default constructor sets known value
>X       T initialValue;
>X       for (unsigned int i = 0; i < sz; i++)
>X               rfile.put(i, initialValue);
>X}
>X
>Xtemplate <class T> int openHashTable<T>::add(const T & value)
>X{      // add record to an open hash table
>X
>X       // find initial hash value
>X       unsigned int hashValue = (*hashfun)(value) % size;
>X       unsigned int index = hashValue;
>X
>X       // see if occupied
>X       T currentValue;
>X       rfile.get(index, currentValue);
>X       while (! isEmpty(currentValue)) {
>X               // see if next record is empty
>X               index = index + 1;
>X               if (index >= size)
>X                       index = 0;
>X               if (index == hashValue)
>X                       return 0;
>X               rfile.get(index, currentValue);
>X               }
>X       // found an empty position
>X       rfile.put(index, value);
>X       return 1;
>X}
>X
>X
>Xtemplate <class T> int openHashTable<T>::includes(T & value)
>X{
>X       unsigned int hashValue = (*hashfun)(value) % size;
>X       unsigned int index = hashValue;
>X       T currentValue;
>X       rfile.get(index, currentValue);
>X       // loop as long as we don't see value
>X       while (! (currentValue == value)) {
>X               if (isEmpty(currentValue))
>X                       return 0;
>X               index = index + 1;
>X               if (index >= size)
>X                       index = 0;
>X               if (index == hashValue)
>X                       return 0;
>X               rfile.get(index, currentValue);
>X               }
>X
>X
>X       // found it, set value
>X       value = currentValue;
>X       return 1;
>X}
>X
>Xtemplate <class T> void openHashTable<T>::remove(const T & value)
>X{      // add record to an open hash table
>X
>X       // find initial hash value
>X       unsigned int hashValue = (*hashfun)(value) % size;
>X       unsigned int index = hashValue;
>X
>X       // see if occupied
>X       T currentValue;
>X       rfile.get(index, currentValue);
>X       // loop as long as we don't see value
>X       while (! (currentValue == value)) {
>X               // see if next record is empty
>X               index = index + 1;
>X               if (index >= size)
>X                       index = 0;
>X               if (index == hashValue)
>X                       return;
>X               rfile.get(index, currentValue);
>X               }
>X       // found it, empty it out
>X       T empty;
>X       rfile.put(index, empty);
>X       return;
>X}
>X
>X
>END-of-openHashTable.c


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From: [e-mail] (L. Sargent)
Subject: Re: Knuth's "Sorting & Searching"

It is one of the "big three" books, "Sorting and Searching", "Seminumerical
Algorithms", and "Fundamental Algorithms".

They do not have C code in them. Perhaps in the future. The closest to a
computer language is his pseudo-assembly language MIX. If you like
mathematics then you will LOVE these books!

Cheers,

Lloyd

>Lloyd,
>   I presume that is a book; does it have sample C/C++ code?
>
>Inquiring minds know to want!
>Jim
>
>>>Does Think C 5.0 support hash tables?  I see nothing in manuals How can this
>>>be implemented?  If not, what is fastest way to compare big lists of words to
>>>each other?
>>
>>Yes it does.
>>
>>However...
>>
>>Hash tables tend to be something you program and not something that comes
>>WITH a library (at least no library that I have worked with). I tend to
>>prefer to roll my own since hashing functions are only as good as the data
>>you are sending through them.
>>
>>As for the fastest way to compare two big lists of words against each
>>other, that is beyond me. You might want to try Knuth's "Sorting and
>>Searching".

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From: Adam Treister <[e-mail]>
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>      I got into www.nih.gov and spent an hour looking
>   around.  Would you have a "roadmap" to the NIHCL
>   (nickel)?

It's hard to find.  This'll help:

http://www.alw.nih.gov/Docs/NIHCL/nihcl_1.html

>
>
>    The NIH Class Library is a portable collection of
>   classes similar to those of Smalltalk-80 that has been
>   developed using the C++ programming language under the
>   UNIX operating system. The NIH Class Library includes
>   generally useful data types such as String, Date, and
>   Time, and most of the Smalltalk-80 container classes
>   such as OrderedCltn (indexed arrays), LinkedList
>   (singly-linked lists), Set (hash tables), and Dictionary
>   (associative arrays). Arbitrarily complex data
>   structures comprised of NIH Library and user-defined
>   objects can be stored on disk files or moved between
>   UNIX processes by means of an object I/O facility.
>   Classes Process, Scheduler, Semaphore, and SharedQueue
>   provide multiprogramming with coroutines
>
>
>   . This reference manual provides a synopsis of each NIH
>   Library class and a detailed description of each class's
>   public and protected member functions. For more general
>   information on the design of the NIH Class Library and
>   how to use and extend it, see the book Data Abstraction
>   and Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Keith Gorlen,
>   Sandy Orlow, and Perry Plexico (ISBN 0471 92346 X),
>   1990, John Wiley and Sons

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Subject: Re: NIHCL Reference

Found it- thanks

>>      I got into www.nih.gov and spent an hour looking
>>   around.  Would you have a "roadmap" to the NIHCL
>>   (nickel)?
>
>It's hard to find.  This'll help:
>
>http://www.alw.nih.gov/Docs/NIHCL/nihcl_1.html
>
>>
>>
>>    The NIH Class Library is a portable collection of
>>   classes similar to those of Smalltalk-80 that has been
>>   developed using the C++ programming language under the
>>   UNIX operating system. The NIH Class Library includes
>>   generally useful data types such as String, Date, and
>>   Time, and most of the Smalltalk-80 container classes
>>   such as OrderedCltn (indexed arrays), LinkedList
>>   (singly-linked lists), Set (hash tables), and Dictionary
>>   (associative arrays). Arbitrarily complex data
>>   structures comprised of NIH Library and user-defined
>>   objects can be stored on disk files or moved between
>>   UNIX processes by means of an object I/O facility.
>>   Classes Process, Scheduler, Semaphore, and SharedQueue
>>   provide multiprogramming with coroutines
>>
>>
>>   . This reference manual provides a synopsis of each NIH
>>   Library class and a detailed description of each class's
>>   public and protected member functions. For more general
>>   information on the design of the NIH Class Library and
>>   how to use and extend it, see the book Data Abstraction
>>   and Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Keith Gorlen,
>>   Sandy Orlow, and Perry Plexico (ISBN 0471 92346 X),
>>   1990, John Wiley and Sons


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Regarding the NIHCL, Is source available somewhere on the net?

[snip,snip]
>>
>>It's hard to find.  This'll help:
>>
>>http://www.alw.nih.gov/Docs/NIHCL/nihcl_1.html
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    The NIH Class Library is a portable collection of
>>>   classes similar to those of Smalltalk-80 that has been
>>>   developed using the C++ programming language under the
>>>   UNIX operating system. The NIH Class Library includes
>>>   generally useful data types such as String, Date, and
>>>   Time, and most of the Smalltalk-80 container classes
>>>   such as OrderedCltn (indexed arrays), LinkedList
>>>   (singly-linked lists), Set (hash tables), and Dictionary
>>>   (associative arrays). Arbitrarily complex data
>>>   structures comprised of NIH Library and user-defined
>>>   objects can be stored on disk files or moved between
>>>   UNIX processes by means of an object I/O facility.
>>>   Classes Process, Scheduler, Semaphore, and SharedQueue
>>>   provide multiprogramming with coroutines
>>>
>>>
>>>   . This reference manual provides a synopsis of each NIH
>>>   Library class and a detailed description of each class's
>>>   public and protected member functions. For more general
>>>   information on the design of the NIH Class Library and
>>>   how to use and extend it, see the book Data Abstraction
>>>   and Object-Oriented Programming in C++ by Keith Gorlen,
>>>   Sandy Orlow, and Perry Plexico (ISBN 0471 92346 X),
>>>   1990, John Wiley and Sons


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Does anyone know where I can get code or docs on Group 4 Tiff/Fax.  I only
need to decode not encode and source & result are always 2 bit.

thanx

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[e-mail] writes:

>>http://www.alw.nih.gov/Docs/NIHCL/nihcl_1.html

>      That HotList gets me to what appears to be the online
>   manual.  Any idea how (or if) source may be downloaded?
>   Lost in hyper(link) space.

Whew, you're right.  Its a tough leap.  The code is at:

ftp://alw.nih.gov/pub/NIHCL

I recommend reading the (long) doc at:

ftp://alw.nih.gov/pub/C++/c++-products.ascii
(other formats available in same dir)

Its somewhat old (6/92), but full of pointers to everyones C++ libs, with net
comments.

Adam

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I'm having a problem working with check boxes in a dialog box.

When not using the check boxes everything works corectly. Numbers are
entered, OK button is pressed,dialog disappears, window appears with
corect result and stays on the screen.

Everytime I put a check in the check box, the dialog box immediatly
disappears & goes on to the next window (It is only supposed to do this
after hitting OK). The second window flashes on the screen for
only a split second (with corect result) and then disappears.

Any thoughts?

John

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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Newbie answer for part 2?

John,
   I will pass on part 1 of your question w/o seeing your code.  As for
part 2, if you don't have a while loop at the end of your make_window
function, it will just flash closed.  You need something like this (draws a
rectangle in a window):

make_window()
{
   My_Window = GetNewWindow(MY_WIND_ID,NIL_PTR,IN_FRONT);
   ShowWindow (My_Window);
   SetPort(My_Window);

   /* data type- variable name */
   /* declare and initialize rectangle's coordinates */


        left = 80;
        top = 40;
        right = 200;
        bottom = 100;

   SetRect(&the_rect, left, top, right, bottom);

   FrameRect(&the_rect);

   FillRect(&the_rect, &qd.black);
   /* Fill it with white        */

   while (!Button())
   ;
   HideWindow(My_Window);
}


>I'm having a problem working with check boxes in a dialog box.
>
>When not using the check boxes everything works corectly. Numbers are
>entered, OK button is pressed,dialog disappears, window appears with
>corect result and stays on the screen.
>
>Everytime I put a check in the check box, the dialog box immediatly
>disappears & goes on to the next window (It is only supposed to do this
>after hitting OK). The second window flashes on the screen for
>only a split second (with corect result) and then disappears.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>John


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>Does anyone know where I can get code or docs on Group 4 Tiff/Fax.  I only
>need to decode not encode and source & result are always 2 bit.
>
Compuserve seems to have TIFF docs in the ABODE Developer specs library. I
just looked. It has TIFF-F spec and the TIFF 6.0 spec in Adobe PDF format.

I havent used this stuff
So try contacting either Compuserve or Adobe, try ftp to adobe.com, might
work. I dont know the address of adobes server.

Yours Richard


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Hi,

>>Does anyone know where I can get code or docs on Group 4 Tiff/Fax.  I only
>>need to decode not encode and source & result are always 2 bit.
>>
>Compuserve seems to have TIFF docs in the ABODE Developer specs library. I
>just looked. It has TIFF-F spec and the TIFF 6.0 spec in Adobe PDF format.
> [...]

Also, you can look at Sam Leffler's LibTiff code.

The latest version is :

    ftp://ftp.sgi.com/graphics/tiff/v3.3beta021.src.tar.gz


This is UNIX code to decode most TIFF implementations, group 3 and 4 fax, too.

Hope this helps.
Marco

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Subject: Re: Newbie question

>I'm having a problem working with check boxes in a dialog box.
>
>When not using the check boxes everything works corectly. Numbers are
>entered, OK button is pressed,dialog disappears, window appears with
>corect result and stays on the screen.
>
>Everytime I put a check in the check box, the dialog box immediatly
>disappears & goes on to the next window (It is only supposed to do this
>after hitting OK). The second window flashes on the screen for
>only a split second (with corect result) and then disappears.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>John

Without seeing your code I am going to guess that you have a switch
statement without a break and control is falling into your OK button code.
Just a guess.

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From: [e-mail] (Andy Kington)
Subject: Re: Newbie question

>I'm having a problem working with check boxes in a dialog box.
>

is the number of the checkbox (in resedit when you built the dialog) 2??

defined by dialog manager               ok = 1, cancel = 2;

if it is, doesn't the dialogmanager automatically cancel the dialog?  I
can't remember.

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From: [e-mail] (Andy Kington)
Subject: Ready to byte more than I can chew

I know this is a practically unanswerable question but:

If a guy (such as myself) wanted to do some limited OCR (yes optical char
recog) where would he look to get some insight.  I need to have a small
pict OCR'd so as to get a customer number, tracking code, name address etc.
from it to attach to a record.  The quality of the characters on the pieces
(1.8 million) I need to OCR is pretty poor and no OCR software I have tried
will recognize it very well.  BUT when I run it through a mail sorter (the
kind at the post office) it reads perfectly.  The font used on the piece is
an OCR font albeit printed poorly, but all my mac software wants to make it
into styled text and I think this is screwing it up.  Instead of using the
fine scalpel of existing macintosh OCR software I need a brick.

Any help will pull my butt from the flames.

BTW thanx for the pointers to TIFF code (you know who you are) : )

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From: [e-mail] (L. Sargent)
Subject: Re: Ready to byte more than I can chew

>I know this is a practically unanswerable question but:
>
>If a guy (such as myself) wanted to do some limited OCR (yes optical char
>recog) where would he look to get some insight.  I need to have a small
>pict OCR'd so as to get a customer number, tracking code, name address etc.
>from it to attach to a record.  The quality of the characters on the pieces
>(1.8 million) I need to OCR is pretty poor and no OCR software I have tried
>will recognize it very well.  BUT when I run it through a mail sorter (the
>kind at the post office) it reads perfectly.  The font used on the piece is
>an OCR font albeit printed poorly, but all my mac software wants to make it
>into styled text and I think this is screwing it up.  Instead of using the
>fine scalpel of existing macintosh OCR software I need a brick.
>
>Any help will pull my butt from the flames.
>
>BTW thanx for the pointers to TIFF code (you know who you are) : )
>
>//////////////////////////////////////////////
>//   Andy Kington
>//   [e-mail]
>//   stolen quote:    Intel inside Idiot outside.
>//   Calvin:            I need a new plate someone puked on mine.
>//   anon:               Does your face hurt?? it's killin' me
>//////////////////////////////////////////////

Ugh, what you are talking about is a VERY specialized field (I worked in it
once and let me tell you, it is not pretty!). We, in fact, subcontracted it
to a group which I eventually met. There was one guy who worked on 3's and
5's, another who worked on 0's and 8's, well, you get the picture.

If anyone knows of any PD software, I would be very interested as well.

Good luck!

Lloyd


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>From univel.telescan.com![e-mail] Wed Jan 25 08:25:14 PST 1995
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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: Newbie question

Andy,
   I think some further information might help out here.  Some questions,
please:
1. Are you using C or C++?
2. What version of the compiler?
   The easiest way to number controls and their corresponding commands is
to use Visual Architect ("VA") which does it automatically in a file called
"commands.h".   Otherwise you need to do it by hand.  Such a cross
reference file might look something like this:


#pragma once

#define cmdAddItem              514
#define cmdDeleteItem           513
#define cmdDeleteList           515
#define cmdDirDelete            516
#define cmdDirectory            512

   Then you might have a switch statement do different stuff as a function
of the comand.  In the abbreviated example below, the DoCommand is a member
function in the C++ CAddressEditDialog class.  I think this translates
fairly well to C (except for the inheritance part- you would just replace
that with whatever you wanted it do for "OK", or "Cancel":

void  CAddressEditDialog::DoCommand(long theCommand)
{
        Str255                  cellText;
        Cell                    theCell;
        Handle                  resourceHandle;

        switch(theCommand) {  //alphabetically by cmd-suffix

                case cmdAddItem:
                        srcList->CopySelectedCells (dstList);
                        break;

                case cmdDeleteList:
                        DeleteList();
                        break;

                case cmdDeleteItem:
                        dstList->DeleteSelectedCells ();
                        break;

                case cmdDirDelete:
                        DeleteList();
                        break;

                case cmdDirectory:
                        break;

                case cmdOK:             //      Save
                        EndDialog (cmdOK, TRUE);
                        break;

                default:
                        inherited::DoCommand (theCommand);
                        break;
        }
}

Is this the sort of thing you want?  Does it hepl?  Is it too much?

Let us know.
:)
Jim Lee


>>I'm having a problem working with check boxes in a dialog box.
>>
>
>is the number of the checkbox (in resedit when you built the dialog) 2??
>
>defined by dialog manager               ok = 1, cancel = 2;
>
>if it is, doesn't the dialogmanager automatically cancel the dialog?  I
>can't remember.
>
>//////////////////////////////////////////////
>//   Andy Kington
>//   [e-mail]
>//   stolen quote:    Intel inside Idiot outside.
>//   Calvin:            I need a new plate someone puked on mine.
>//   anon:               Does your face hurt?? it's killin' me
>//////////////////////////////////////////////


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Does anyone know of a shareware or freeware C/C++ library that supports
simple speech output.  What I want to do is to have the program announce a
variable's value once it hits certain thresholds.

Thanks,


Jeff

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Subject: Re: Speech Toolbox

>Does anyone know of a shareware or freeware C/C++ library that supports
>simple speech output.  What I want to do is to have the program announce a
>variable's value once it hits certain thresholds.

Sure. The Apple Speech Manager has a very easy function for just saying text.

SpeakString("\pThe variable has hit the threshold");

or create the string from the value of the variable.

void AtThresholdYet(long myVar)
{
    Str32 numStr;
    if (myVar > MYTHRESHOLD)
    {
        NumToString(myVar, numStr);
        SpeakString(numStr);
    }
}

will do it. Nothing to initialize at program startup. Just install the
Speech Manager and do it.


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To: [e-mail]
From: Richard Bleasdale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Speech Toolbox

>Does anyone know of a shareware or freeware C/C++ library that supports
>simple speech output.  What I want to do is to have the program announce a
>variable's value once it hits certain thresholds.
>

About 2 1/2 years ago I used a class library that I Downloaded from
compuserve called CTalk. This is really quite old code that used the
original Macintalk.
It did work. And the class library is really very very simple.
This stuff could do normal english to phonetic translation which you then
passed to macintaly and it spoke.
There is other stuff on the Speech manager in the IM Sound volume. But I
never played with that. I have heard its quite straightforward to make your
macintosh speak.

The e-mail address in the read me file for CTalk was
Dmitri <[e-mail]>
But I wouldnt expect any replies.

There is quite a bit of other speech stuff floating around. But I got bored
with the idea when no-one was really interested in what I did. So I dont
know much about the recent developments with Macintalk pro/ macintalk 2.

Yours Richard


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Subject: re: Ready to byte more than I can chew

For those interested in public domain OCR on the Mac, I ported the
following free package from NIST to Think C and have gotten about 85%
accuracy on a small set of test data from *hand-printed* text on
engineering drawings. The package came on a CD and included source code and
documentation. We also have it running on the Sun where we can glom more
memory for slightly better results (we're also testing Mitek's QuickStrokes
product on the same data on the Sun with better results, but it doesn't run
on the Mac and only an API is provided). I'd appreciate hearing about
successes and failures from others who are working on OCR from hand printed
text on engineering drawings.   - John Boose
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                   ANNOUNCEMENT - PUBLIC DOMAIN OCR

             NIST FORM-BASED HANDPRINT RECOGNITION SYSTEM
             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

              Michael D. Garris ([e-mail])
     James L. Blue, Gerald T. Candela, Darrin L. Dimmick, Jon Geist,
       Patrick J. Grother, Stanley A. Janet, and Charles L. Wilson

            National Institute of Standards and Technology,
                        Building 225, Room A216
                      Gaithersburg, Maryland 20899
            Phone: [phone]          FAX: [phone]


The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has developed a
standard reference form-based handprint recognition system for evaluating
optical character recognition (OCR). NIST is making this recognition system
freely available to the general public on an ISO-9660 format CD-ROM. The
recognition system processes the Handwriting Sample Forms distributed with
NIST Special Database 1 and NIST Special Database 3. The system reads
handprinted fields containing digits, lower case letters, upper case letters,
and reads a text paragraph containing the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution.

This is a source code distribution written primarily in C and is organized
into 11 libraries. There are approximately 19,000 lines of code supporting
more than 550 subroutines. Source code is provided for form registration,
form removal, field isolation, field segmentation, character normalization,
feature extraction, character classification, and dictionary-based post-
processing. A host of data structures and low-level utilities are also
provided. These utilities include the application of CCITT Group 4 decompres-
sion, IHead file manipulation, spatial histograms, Least-Squares fitting,
spatial zooming, connected components, Karhunen Loeve (KL) feature extraction,
optimized Probabilistic Neural Network classification, multiple-key sorting,
Levenstein distance dynamic string alignment, and dictionary-based post-
processing. Two supporting programs are provided that compute eigenvectors
and KL feature vectors for training classifiers. Unlike the recognition
system (which is written entirely in C), these two programs contain FORTRAN
subroutines. To support these programs, a training set of 168,365 segmented
and labeled character images is provided. About 1000 writers contributed to
this training set.

The NIST standard reference recognition system is designed to run on UNIX
workstations and has been successfully compiled and tested on a Digital
Equipment Corporation (DEC) Alpha, Hewlett Packard (HP) Model 712/80, IBM
RS6000, Silicon Graphics Incorporated (SGI) Indigo 2, SGI Onyx, SGI Challenge,
Sun Microsystems (Sun) IPC, Sun SPARCstation 2, Sun 4/470, and a Sun SPARC-
station 10.** Scripts for installation and compilation on these architectures
are provided with this distribution.

A CD-ROM distribution of this standard reference system can be obtained free
of charge by sending a letter of request to Michael D. Garris at the address
above. The letter, preferably on company letterhead, should identify the
requesting organization or individuals. This system or any portion of this
system may be used without restrictions. However, redistribution of this
standard reference recognition system is strongly discouraged as any
subsequent corrections or updates will be sent to registered recipients only.
This software was produced by NIST, an agency of the U.S. government, and by
statute is not subject to copyright in the United States. Recipients of this
software assume all responsibilities associated with its operation,
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
** Specific hardware and software products identified were used in order to
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Subject: Re: Ready to byte more than I can chew

>I know this is a practically unanswerable question but:
>
>If a guy (such as myself) wanted to do some limited OCR (yes optical char
>recog) where would he look to get some insight.  I need to have a small
>pict OCR'd so as to get a customer number, tracking code, name address etc.
>from it to attach to a record.  The quality of the characters on the pieces
>(1.8 million) I need to OCR is pretty poor and no OCR software I have tried
>will recognize it very well.  BUT when I run it through a mail sorter (the
>kind at the post office) it reads perfectly.  The font used on the piece is
>an OCR font albeit printed poorly, but all my mac software wants to make it
>into styled text and I think this is screwing it up.  Instead of using the
>fine scalpel of existing macintosh OCR software I need a brick.
>
>Any help will pull my butt from the flames.
>
>BTW thanx for the pointers to TIFF code (you know who you are) : )
>
>//////////////////////////////////////////////
>//   Andy Kington
>//   [e-mail]
>//   stolen quote:    Intel inside Idiot outside.
>//   Calvin:            I need a new plate someone puked on mine.
>//   anon:               Does your face hurt?? it's killin' me
>//////////////////////////////////////////////


A couple wacky ideas: Could it be a magnetic (?) ink, as used on checks,
which allows the mail sorter to read it easily, non-optically? Would it be
possible to interface a Mac to the sorter by a serial connection?


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From: "Vince Paragano" <[e-mail]>
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To: "ThinkC Mailing List" <[e-mail]>
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Hi,
I'm trying to set up a Mac-based system to read/score those test answer
sheets where the testee fills in one of 4 or 5 ovals per question, usually A,
B, C, D, or E.  I need to find/create some Mac software which can talk to at
least one type of test scoring machine.  I'd appreciate any pointers to
(public) Mac Think C source which does something along these lines.

Thanks in advance for any help,

-Vince :-)


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Subject: Programming is hard!

Thinkers!
    Ugg- just threw out 3 weeks of work becasue of my own stupidity.  Then,
just as progress resumed I blew up the project file.  Now I am startying
completely over!  I have no idea what happened, but ResEdit says 178 of the
243 resources (or something like that) in the file are broke beyond repair.
   Anybody know how this might have happened.  I would prefer _not_ to have
this particular pleasure again!
Frustrated in Thinkland,
JL


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I have done some pretty evil things with pointers that corrupted my ResEdit,
Operating system, tools, etc...You might try fresh copies of your tools.


>Thinkers!
>    Ugg- just threw out 3 weeks of work becasue of my own stupidity.  Then,
>just as progress resumed I blew up the project file.  Now I am startying
>completely over!  I have no idea what happened, but ResEdit says 178 of the
>243 resources (or something like that) in the file are broke beyond repair.
>   Anybody know how this might have happened.  I would prefer _not_ to have
>this particular pleasure again!
>Frustrated in Thinkland,
>JL
>
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Subject: Re: Programming is hard!

Marshall,
    Any pointers (no  pun intended-0 really) on what _not_ to do with
pointers?  I would hate to do this often!
:)
Jim

>I have done some pretty evil things with pointers that corrupted my ResEdit,
>Operating system, tools, etc...You might try fresh copies of your tools.
>
>
>>Thinkers!
>>    Ugg- just threw out 3 weeks of work becasue of my own stupidity.  Then,
>>just as progress resumed I blew up the project file.  Now I am startying
>>completely over!  I have no idea what happened, but ResEdit says 178 of the
>>243 resources (or something like that) in the file are broke beyond repair.
>>   Anybody know how this might have happened.  I would prefer _not_ to have
>>this particular pleasure again!
>>Frustrated in Thinkland,
>>JL
>>
>>
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> I need to find/create some Mac software which can talk to at
>least one type of test scoring machine.  I'd appreciate any pointers to
>(public) Mac Think C source which does something along these lines.
Vince

Sorry, I can't give away my source, but there's a fair bit of standard
serial comms stuff around. This should be all you need - in my experience
the readers send very simple ascii codes so you are really just behaving
like a dumb terminal program.

The reader (a huge Longines beast) we used was totally programmable from
the initial paper form - a somewhat painful and cryptic task.


Andy Dent, Snr Developer, A.D. Software
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I have some suggestions for APDA.  Could whoever posted the name of a
contact there (and her eMail addrerss?) please repost it.


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I'm looking for some sample cdev code, I found some
code in pascal, but not in c. Any references?

Gerrit.
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What causes the following to be undefined after rebuilding the ANSI library:
        Ptr2Hand
        Date2Secs
        StrLength

Why does a register struct pointer get clobbered after a function call when
Automatic Register is enabled?  Disabling this setting prevents the bug.

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>From [e-mail] Fri Jan 27 00:56:15 PST 1995
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On Fri, 27 Jan 1995 00:30:22 PST you wrote:

    I'm looking for some sample cdev code, I found some
    code in pascal, but not in c. Any references?

Try the control panel source in:

ftp://ftp.rdatasys.com/pub/think-c/cdev-init/control-panel-094.hqx

(There is nothing els in that file area yet, but there will be more
soon...)

Mark
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Gang,
   last week Bernie at Apple mentioned the Speech Toolbox (still out there
Bernie?)
   Where do I get the Speech Toolbox?
   Is it compatible with 7.5?
   How do i install it?
Jim Lee


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James,

Yes, I think that most of us have experienced some form of this "pleasure"
at some time or another.  I have a few suggestions on how to avoid or
recover from these things:

1.  Keep up to date backups of your source, project, and resources.  This
has helped me recover from many an unexplained catastrophe!
2.  If your project is acting flakey but you can still open it, try
removing all objects and recompiling.
3.  Make sure your using a good copy of the most recent version of ResEdit.

If your having lots of pointer problems, try using EvenBetterBusError or
QC.  QC was reviewed in MacTech a few months ago.  It's pretty awesome at
catching pointer type problems.

If you don't mind messing around in MacsBug, try including the following
statement a few places in your code:

DebugStr( "<any string here>;HC;G" );

This will drop into MacsBug, do a check to make sure your heap isn't fried,
and continue on if everything checks out.  It won't catch everything, but
it can help sometimes.  This is even better if you have heap scrambling
turned on, but that can slow your machine to a PAINFUL crawl.

Good luck!

----------------------------------------------
Jason R. Stevens  ([e-mail])
Amiable Technologies, Inc.
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Anyone have any code that reproduces the functionality of the Network
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rds


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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: Programming is hard!

Jason,
  Thanks for the advice; good practice for us all I am sure.  BTW, what is
heap scrambling, how do I turn it on, and why would I want to?  It sounds
like something horrible!
 :)
Jim

>James,
>
>Yes, I think that most of us have experienced some form of this "pleasure"
>at some time or another.  I have a few suggestions on how to avoid or
>recover from these things:
>
>1.  Keep up to date backups of your source, project, and resources.  This
>has helped me recover from many an unexplained catastrophe!
>2.  If your project is acting flakey but you can still open it, try
>removing all objects and recompiling.
>3.  Make sure your using a good copy of the most recent version of ResEdit.
>
>If your having lots of pointer problems, try using EvenBetterBusError or
>QC.  QC was reviewed in MacTech a few months ago.  It's pretty awesome at
>catching pointer type problems.
>
>If you don't mind messing around in MacsBug, try including the following
>statement a few places in your code:
>
>DebugStr( "<any string here>;HC;G" );
>
>This will drop into MacsBug, do a check to make sure your heap isn't fried,
>and continue on if everything checks out.  It won't catch everything, but
>it can help sometimes.  This is even better if you have heap scrambling
>turned on, but that can slow your machine to a PAINFUL crawl.
>
>Good luck!
>
>----------------------------------------------
>Jason R. Stevens  ([e-mail])
>Amiable Technologies, Inc.
>----------------------------------------------


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Subject: Getting Memory Partition Sizes

        I've been using the Process Manager call GetProcessInformation to
obtain my application's memory partition size (processSize) for my About
Application dialog box.  Why doesn't the Process Manager return the same
partition size as the 7.1 Finder's About This Macintosh dialog or agree
with my app's 'SIZE' -1 resource settings?  It's close, but not exact.  Is
there a fudge factor that needs to be thrown in somewhere?  Or is there a
better way to obtain the application's memory partition size on the fly?
Does anyone have any idea of how to obtain it when running under 6.0.8
MultiFinder or SingleFinder?

Bruce Alspaugh
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Speech Toolbox

>Gang,
>   last week Bernie at Apple mentioned the Speech Toolbox (still out there
>Bernie?)
>   Where do I get the Speech Toolbox?
>   Is it compatible with 7.5?
>   How do i install it?
>Jim Lee

I believe the Speech Manager ships with system 7.5. I expect that the
headers are in the regular Apple Headers folder with any development
environment. If that isn't the case, let me know, and I'll find out where
they are.

There are three Speech Managers that I know of: MacinTalk 2, MacinTalk 3,
and MacinTalk Pro. I don't know where each of them are, but on my Duo that
I just bought, MacinTalk 3 was pre-installed. It is the "Speech Manager"
extension.

Documentation is in Inside Macintosh: Sound.


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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: Speech Toolbox

Bernie,
   I don't find it anywhere.  Please let me know if you find out where.
Jim
PS- Why didn't _my_ new Duo have MacInTalk3?:(
I would like to find it too! :)
All hints appreciated.



>>Gang,
>>   last week Bernie at Apple mentioned the Speech Toolbox (still out there
>>Bernie?)
>>   Where do I get the Speech Toolbox?
>>   Is it compatible with 7.5?
>>   How do i install it?
>>Jim Lee
>
>I believe the Speech Manager ships with system 7.5. I expect that the
>headers are in the regular Apple Headers folder with any development
>environment. If that isn't the case, let me know, and I'll find out where
>they are.
>
>There are three Speech Managers that I know of: MacinTalk 2, MacinTalk 3,
>and MacinTalk Pro. I don't know where each of them are, but on my Duo that
>I just bought, MacinTalk 3 was pre-installed. It is the "Speech Manager"
>extension.
>
>Documentation is in Inside Macintosh: Sound.
>
>
>    o,  ,,   ,      | Bernie Bernstein                    |1877 Broadway
>    L>O/  `,/ `    ,| Apple Electronic Media Lab          |Suite 705
>   O./  '  / . `, / | w 303-444-2204 x223  h 303-444-3168 |Boulder, CO
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From: [e-mail] (Bernie Bernstein)
Subject: Re: Speech Toolbox

>Bernie,
>   I don't find it anywhere.  Please let me know if you find out where.
>Jim
>PS- Why didn't _my_ new Duo have MacInTalk3?:(
>I would like to find it too! :)
>All hints appreciated.

Did it ship with System 7.5? If so, then look in the Extensions folder for
Speech Manager. If it isn't there, then they must be shipping different
machines with different configurations. If your machine doesn't have 12 meg
ram, then they probably didn't want to clutter memory with things that
aren't necessary. Perhaps it is an older machine? My officemate got one
that didn't have System 7.5 installed, so maybe it depends on when the
machine was shipped from the factory. These are just guesses.

I'll look around and try to find the Speech Manager for you.


- a little while later -

Ah, here they are.


I just found all the headers and all of PlainTalk on the Apple web site:

http://www.apple.com

the headers are in:
Developer Services:Developer ftp site:Tool Chest:Interfaces

all PlainTalk versions (which includes Speech Manager) are in:
Apple Products and Support:Software Updates:Macintosh:



I've heard there is an equivalent ftp site somewhere like:

ftp://ftp.apple.com



Hope this helps you off to a good start.

Good luck with your Speech Manager development.


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From: univel.telescan.com![e-mail] (James Lee)
Subject: Re: Speech Toolbox

Bernie,
   Thanks for the help.  I just found it buried in the PlainTalk folder on
my 7.5 CD.  I never installed it because the ReadMe goes to great lenghts
to point out that it only works with AV's and PM's.  I will install the
Speech stuff anyway and see what happens.  thanks!
Jim

>>Bernie,
>>   I don't find it anywhere.  Please let me know if you find out where.
>>Jim
>>PS- Why didn't _my_ new Duo have MacInTalk3?:(
>>I would like to find it too! :)
>>All hints appreciated.
>
>Did it ship with System 7.5? If so, then look in the Extensions folder for
>Speech Manager. If it isn't there, then they must be shipping different
>machines with different configurations. If your machine doesn't have 12 meg
>ram, then they probably didn't want to clutter memory with things that
>aren't necessary. Perhaps it is an older machine? My officemate got one
>that didn't have System 7.5 installed, so maybe it depends on when the
>machine was shipped from the factory. These are just guesses.
>
>I'll look around and try to find the Speech Manager for you.
>
>
>- a little while later -
>
>Ah, here they are.
>
>
>I just found all the headers and all of PlainTalk on the Apple web site:
>
>http://www.apple.com
>
>the headers are in:
>Developer Services:Developer ftp site:Tool Chest:Interfaces
>
>all PlainTalk versions (which includes Speech Manager) are in:
>Apple Products and Support:Software Updates:Macintosh:
>
>
>
>I've heard there is an equivalent ftp site somewhere like:
>
>ftp://ftp.apple.com
>
>
>
>Hope this helps you off to a good start.
>
>Good luck with your Speech Manager development.
>
>
>Everything I say is as an individual, not as an Apple employee.
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To: Think C Group <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Getting Memory Partition Sizes
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<<        I've been using the Process Manager call GetProcessInformation to
obtain my application's memory partition size (processSize) for my About
Application dialog box.  Why doesn't the Process Manager return the same
partition size as the 7.1 Finder's About This Macintosh dialog or agree
with my app's 'SIZE' -1 resource settings?  It's close, but not exact.  Is
there a fudge factor that needs to be thrown in somewhere?  Or is there a
better way to obtain the application's memory partition size on the fly?
Does anyone have any idea of how to obtain it when running under 6.0.8
MultiFinder or SingleFinder?
Bruce Alspaugh
[e-mail]
>>


Hi Bruce, Process Manager isn't something I've played with, but one possible is
to look at the Process Manager heap with Macsbug, find out the actual allocated
size of your heap. There's your stack, globals and jump table above the heap. An
extra 20 for stack and a possible 32K for globals and jump table would be the
norm.

That's a guess but it's likely.

Caerwyn Pearce


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It could possibly be returning the whole size of your app including
things like the low memory globals. That is if it seems to be and error
on the high side.

Peter
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Is there any other way to check to see if a check box is checked?
This is the code I am presently using.

GetDItem (aboutDialog,icheckBox,&itemType,
        &itemHandle, &itemRect);
if (GetCtlValue ((ControlHandle)itemHandle))

John

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<<Is there any other way to check to see if a check box is checked?
This is the code I am presently using.

GetDItem (aboutDialog,icheckBox,&itemType,
        &itemHandle, &itemRect);
if (GetCtlValue ((ControlHandle)itemHandle))

John
>>

That's about the size of it. I tend to have a generic set of routines like
Dlg_GetItemValue() and then you can check to see what the itemType is before you
do your GetControlValue() call. A bit more secure and a bit more generic. You
can then use the same routines to get and set a control as you would to handle a
numeric value in a text box.

Caerwyn

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